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14 November 2009 @ 10:51 am
Next Gen Kids Canon Guide - Final  

The stuff we really know about the epilogue kids, and the stuff we really don't.

References:
CANON! DH - Chapters: Shell Cottage, The Sacking of Severus Snape, The Battle of Hogwarts and Nineteen Years Later
HP Lexicon - http://www.hplex.info/about/books/dh/rg-dhe.html
JKR's post-DH family tree - http://www.hp-lexicon.org/images/jkr/weasleyfamilytree-website.jpg
Post DH interviews:
http://www.accio-quote.org/
http://www.beyondhogwarts.com/harry-potter/articles/jk-rowling-goes-beyond-the-epilogue.html
There was also plenty of interesting discussion in my original post: HERE

italics denote facts that are provided ONLY by JKR's post-DH interviews.

Epilogue occurs 19 years after 1998 (ie: September 1st, 2017). The ages below are as of that date. Please note that Hogwarts first years must be 11 as of September 1st. This means that first years could turn 12 on September 2nd (as opposed to Jan 1st the next year).

Pre- Epilogue (referenced in DH Shell Cottage, The Sacking of Severus Snape, The Battle of Hogwarts and Nineteen Years Later)
Ted (Teddy) Remus Lupin (parents: Remus Lupin/Nymphadora Tonks)
His birthday is sometime in April or thereabout
He is a metamorphmagus
Harry Potter is his Godfather and he spends several dinner a week with the Potter family, but does not live there.
Draco Malfoy is Teddy's first cousin once removed.
Sorted: unknown
Age: 19
Eye colour: unknown (likely changeable)
Hair colour: unknown (black when he was born, ginger an hour later. In the photos Remus shows in The Sacking of Severus Snape, his hair is turquoise)
Teddy is raised by his grandmother Andromeda Tonks and by Harry.
Teddy is not a werewolf


Epilogue
James Sirius Potter (parents: Ginny Weasley/Harry Potter)
Eyes colour: unknown, but not green
Sorted: unknown (we can infer not Slytherin based on his teasing Al about Slytherin and fanon favours Gryffindor based on his characterisation in the Epilogue and Ron's comments about disinheriting anyone not sorted into Gryffindor.)
Age: unknown (but likely only 12 or 13, a year or two older than Albus. We can assume that he is only 2nd year based on Ginny's comments, but it isn't specifically noted)
Hair colour: unknown
Familiar brought to Hogwarts: Owl
Nickname: only called James in epilogue, never Jamie
He has his own room at home.
Probably has the Marauder’s map (but Harry didn’t give it to him).

Albus Severus Potter (parents: Ginny Weasley/Harry Potter)
eye colour: green
Sorted: unknown but fanon often places him in Slytherin
Age: 11
Hair colour: black
Familiar brought to Hogwarts: Owl
Nickname: called Albus and Al in epilogue
He has his own room at home.
He does not know how to duel going into Hogwarts.

Lily Luna Potter (parents: Ginny Weasley/Harry Potter)
eye colour: unknown, but not green
Sorted: unknown
Age: 9
Hair colour: red

Rose Weasley (parents: Hermione Granger/Ron Weasley)
Sorted: unknown
Age: 11
Hair colour: unknown
Nickname: called Rose and Rosie in epilogue
We can infer from Ron's comments in the epilogue that Rose has shown herself to have "her mother's brains."

Hugo Weasley (parents: Hermione Granger/Ron Weasley)
Age: unknown (but less than 11 and old enough to be carrying on an 'animated discussion' about Hogwarts houses in the epilogue)
Sorted: unknown
Hair colour: unknown
eye colour: unknown

Scorpius Hyperion Malfoy (parents: Astoria Greengrass/Draco Malfoy)
eye colour: unknown (fanon has often grey or light blue - as the epilogue says he resembled his father as Albus resembled Harry)
Sorted: unknown
Age: 11
Hair colour: blond
Draco has been sobered by his misfortune, and his son Scorpius is a much better person.

Victoire Weasley (parents: Fleur Delacour/Bill Weasley)
Sorted: unknown
Age: unknown but likely 16 or 17 (young enough to be in school, old enough to be involved with Teddy)
Hair colour: unknown
eye colour: unknown
Birthdate: May 2nd - she was so named because she was born on the anniversary of the victory over Voldemort.

Kids mentioned in interviews only:
Dominique Weasley (parents: Fleur Delacour/Bill Weasley)
Louis Weasley (parents: Fleur Delacour/Bill Weasley)
Molly Weasley ii (parents: Percy Weasley/Audrey [Unknown last name]) - since Percy is on the Platform in 2017, it's pretty likely that - at the very least - Molly Hogwarts age.
Lucy Weasley (parents: Percy Weasley/Audrey [Unknown last name])
Fred Weasley (parents: Angelina Johnson/George Weasley)
Roxanne "Roxy" Weasley (parents: Angelina Johnson/George Weasley)
Lysander and Lorcan Scamander (parents: Luna Lovegood/Rolf Scamander)- Twins





If you see anything missing or know it is incorrect: please comment, ask questions and point me to missing information. My plan is to get this list as complete as possible for anyone wanting to get into writing Next Gen fics but feeling nervous about what is canon and what is fanon. Or just a quick guide if you want to double check your canon without re-reading the epilogue every time.

Please note: I am trying to avoid subjective stuff like: Albus is shy and nervous; James is brash and cocky. Or anything that can be/should be inferred from what we know of their parents. That is really up to an author/artist's discretion. The stuff below are the cold hard facts, unless otherwise stated.

Also, if you are writing Cross Gen and are looking for easy math on the age disparity, check out the Age Disparity Guide.

Cheers!
 
 
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Ella Bane: Just Right by verylisaella_bane on November 14th, 2009 03:55 pm (UTC)
This is completely awesome! *big fat hearts here*
maggie: HP - tackle h_scmarguerite_26 on November 14th, 2009 03:59 pm (UTC)
thank you! And I saw you signed up for the H/Sc LDWS!!!! YAY!!! *glomps you*

I'm thrilled you are writing again. :D
Ella Baneella_bane on November 14th, 2009 04:23 pm (UTC)
Hehe, I finish my first fest in three years and I think I can do anything. :D

That icon is awesome!
maggie: HP - Surrendermarguerite_26 on November 14th, 2009 04:26 pm (UTC)
I saw that post and totally wanted to twirl you.
*belated twirls*

Icon is from Stella's harry_scorpius banner art.
*loves it HARD*
Darry Willis: TNGnursedarry on November 14th, 2009 04:03 pm (UTC)
Bookmarking as we speak.
maggiemarguerite_26 on November 14th, 2009 04:23 pm (UTC)
YAY!
Mairi Nathaira (테라-찬 / テラちゃん)aigooism on November 14th, 2009 04:12 pm (UTC)
This is wonderful! Thank you for compiling this!
maggie: hp - Daddy's boymarguerite_26 on November 14th, 2009 04:23 pm (UTC)
You are very welcome. I hope it's useful. I certainly learned a lot while creating it.
Seshetasesheta_66 on November 14th, 2009 04:25 pm (UTC)
Thanks for this. *bookmarks*
maggiemarguerite_26 on November 14th, 2009 04:26 pm (UTC)
Welcome, dear.
moonlitdarkmoonlitdark on November 14th, 2009 04:51 pm (UTC)
Thank you for posting this! :)

*bookmarks*
alovelycupofteaalovelycupoftea on November 14th, 2009 05:09 pm (UTC)
Awesome stuff! I've put it in my useful links bit on my eljay.

Edited at 2009-11-16 02:44 pm (UTC)
Vaysh Swiftstorm: ASS_love in greenvaysh on November 14th, 2009 05:11 pm (UTC)
*bookmarks*

Amazing resource, my sweet!
rickey_arickey_a on November 14th, 2009 05:12 pm (UTC)
hee
trufax

:)
fireflavoredfireflavored on November 14th, 2009 05:30 pm (UTC)
This is so cool! I've never written Nextgen, but now I know where to go if I do ♥
velarovelaro on November 14th, 2009 05:36 pm (UTC)
Nice work!

Two small additions:
Hugo is said to be carrying on an 'animated discussion' about Hogwarts houses in the epilogue. That's a lower bound on his age; let's say, at least 5? I don't know that much about little kids.
James S is returning to Hogwarts, so he's definitely between 12 and 17. The interview statement that Ginny played Quidditch for a few years and then retired to have her family knocks the maximum age down to 14 or 15. The likely age is, of course, as you describe.

I'm also not 100% sure about one inference in the list, though I'd still consider it likely: Couldn't James S still be a Slytherin? Albus is very worried because his brother already was already put in Slytherin. James teases Albus because Albus kept insisting that the same wouldn't happen to him. Ron warns Rose not to go down the same road as her cousin.
For all your sophisticated Cock-Tailing needsmidnitemaraud_r on November 15th, 2009 08:43 am (UTC)
I would highly doubt James was a Slytherin. If he was, Albus wouldn't be afraid of being sorted there because it wouldn't be a big deal. Why would James be teasing him about being sorted into his own house? And Ron's remarks in the epilogue about disinheriting anyone sorted into Slytherin were directed at Hugo and Lily both, which would lead me to believe that if James was as Slytherin, there would be remarks made regarding what Ron would clearly consider an aberration. I've no notion what "warning" you're talking about either. The only time I saw Ron telling Rose anything was when he told her to beat Scorpius on every test and not to get too friendly with him.

Still, it's fanon, and considering the number of "Harry (and Sirius or Remus) being sorted into Slytherin" fics there are, you can write whatever you want. :)

And Marguerite - thanks for the guide!
maggiemarguerite_26 on November 15th, 2009 02:21 pm (UTC)
yeah, I have to agree with you on that.
maggiemarguerite_26 on November 15th, 2009 02:21 pm (UTC)
Thanks!

I will add that Hugo was old enough to be having an animated discussion.

But I agree with midnitemaraud_r about it being unlikely that James was in Slytherin. Given what JKR was trying to imply in so few words, the fact that Harry told Albus it would be okay to be a Slytherin by using dead headmasters as examples and not once mentioning that is own brother was already there... well, it seems odd.

Now an author could certainly justify it, if they would like to and it would not be an AU, but I believe the most obvious deduction is that James was teasing Albus because being in Slytherin was something to be ashamed of to some extent.

Thanks for the suggestions! It's good to discuss various angles on things.
Keeper of the Superfluous Es!: Draco/B&W/Charlotteschaosthemostepotente on November 14th, 2009 05:49 pm (UTC)
This totally rocks as you know. Going to link to this tomorrow, babe ♥
roma_fics: hedwigromaine24 on November 14th, 2009 06:08 pm (UTC)
*throws confetti* It looks great!!! You're awesome!

Lordeslordes on November 14th, 2009 06:48 pm (UTC)
*bookmarks*

Dudette this is awesome, many thanks :)

*pets your hair*

Potteresque Irepotteresque_ire on November 14th, 2009 07:31 pm (UTC)
Yay!!!! Awesome resource. :))))
Thank you! *twirls you*
trusting things beyond mistake: hahasnarkyscorp on November 14th, 2009 08:47 pm (UTC)
WONDERFUL JOB as always. This only makes me worship you even more though, you do realize this, yes?

I still use your Age Disparity guide about every other day.

<33
Hueyphoenixacid on November 14th, 2009 09:31 pm (UTC)
Wow, thanks for compiling this, hun! :)
Anna Fugazzi: Twinsannafugazzi on November 14th, 2009 10:48 pm (UTC)
Oh, you rock absolutely. ::squeee!!::
honda; more than just a car: hp∆ next gen ≥ little!hugo&rosehondagirll on November 14th, 2009 11:38 pm (UTC)
Memming. Thank you compiling this. :D
literaryspell on November 15th, 2009 05:16 am (UTC)
Oh, this is so awesome! It's hard to know, not having all the interviews at my fingertips, what's canon and what's fanon. This is totally brilliant and so very helpful for those of us who love to perv the nextgen. Thank you!
tania_sings on November 15th, 2009 06:57 am (UTC)
This is realy great and very helpful -- thank you!

Just one little addition, I'm pretty sure JKR has said that Teddy was in Hufflepuff, like his mother. I can try and find the source if you like.
(Anonymous) on November 15th, 2009 02:13 pm (UTC)
Oh! I'd never heard that about Teddy being a Hufflepuff! Yes, a source would be fantastic as someone is bound to come along and ask me to prove it. :)

Thanks! and you're welcome! :D
maggiemarguerite_26 on November 15th, 2009 02:14 pm (UTC)
*points up*

That was me. *g*
tania_sings on November 15th, 2009 02:35 pm (UTC)
Must have got my wires crossed somehow. I found TONKS was hufflepuff, but nothing on Teddy. Apologies -- my bad!
maggiemarguerite_26 on November 15th, 2009 04:45 pm (UTC)
No problem. Thanks for checking. Those interviews are a mess to try to get solid info from!
piratesmile331piratesmile331 on November 15th, 2009 01:48 pm (UTC)
This is fabulous, Maggie! Thanks for all of your hard work.
MelusinaHPmelusinahp on November 15th, 2009 04:09 pm (UTC)
You are so awesome for doing this. I'm going to include a link to it if I ever sign up for a next gen fest again. And read it before I ever start writing next gen again. :D
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hereticalvisionhereticalvision on December 4th, 2009 04:43 am (UTC)
Ooooh, how have I never seen this before? It's faaaaaaaaab :)
mr. attorney general, i object!: Londonquimtessence on December 5th, 2009 01:11 pm (UTC)
Glad you compiled this. So much easier to know what's canon and what's not. :)
emansil_08 on March 5th, 2010 05:33 pm (UTC)
I realize I'm a bit late, but this is great!! Thanks so much for putting this all together. I have a couple of questions that you may or may not know. Do we know how much younger/older etc Lorcan and Lysander are than Albus and Scorpius? Do we know for sure they are two males? That's how they're usually written, but this is a slash based community, so... Also is Dominique a female or male? I've seen them written as either or.

Not sure if you know the answers to any of these, and if not I'll just make them fit how I want-the fun part of next gen. Thanks
maggiemarguerite_26 on March 29th, 2010 02:12 am (UTC)
Sorry I'm so late in getting back to you! *shame face*

I'm not really an expert on anything, mostly I just compile other people's knowledge, but from what I've been told:

JKR has said that Luna gets married later in life, which would imply that L and L are younger than the rest of the group by several years (but I've seen many fics that place them at the same age, and no one could claim for sure that you were wrong if you did so)

I don't believe we know if they are two males.

Dominique in French is a girls name. But according to google it's used for males 28% of the time. I've never seen Dominique as a male in fics, I'd be surprised to see it, though I guess it's not techinically wrong.

Hope that helps! (even though it's pathetically late! sorry!)
Kittykitty_fic on January 29th, 2011 10:43 am (UTC)
Thank you for this!
maggiemarguerite_26 on March 9th, 2011 09:02 pm (UTC)
<3
hpfangirl71: Slytherinhpfangirl71 on March 9th, 2011 05:54 pm (UTC)
Love having all this info in one place but I was curious... how do we know that Lily and James don't have Harry's eye colour?? I looked in the epilogue cuz someone made that comment about Lily's eyes and I didn't find anything... did I miss something or is this something that JK has made known elsewhere??
I'm not arguing, I'm just genuinely curious cuz I always write Lily with dark red hair, green eyes and in Slytherin house, thats just my fanon ideals about her. Thanks for posting this and I am adding to memories as we speak!!
maggiemarguerite_26 on March 9th, 2011 09:02 pm (UTC)
there was something about Albus being 'the only one' to have Harry's eyes... or somethign to that effect. :)
hpfangirl71: Slytherinhpfangirl71 on March 9th, 2011 09:14 pm (UTC)
ohhh... I might've missed that... oh well, my bad!! LOL
I still like my Lily the way I have imagined her, even with her recent perverse affection for her Uncle Percy!! She's one of my fave characters of Next Gen to write. Thanks again for all the useful info!!
Leashy Bebes: harry [magical tent?!]leashy_bebes on July 1st, 2011 10:13 pm (UTC)
*irons hands*

HOW DID I FORGET THIS POST?

*bookmarks and clutches close*

*pulls on wizard hat*

Unfinished HP fic, I am coming for you. Ooh, age disparity guide. Also useful! *scurries along*
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